Paul's Afflection

There is something I do not understand.  Why do church people beat others over the head about hardship being the victims fault????  I heard someone alluding to a hardship someone was going through as their fault because they weren't living according to the will of God. 

• No. 1 Who are they that who know or  understand the complete mind of All Mighty God? 
• No.2 That is what Jobs friends suggested to him.  
• No. 3 Would they have said that to Paul if he was here today?  

People have to be careful not to attack a person in pain.  I wander what pleasure they get.   I believe we must encourage people to hope and trust in El Shaddai [Most English translations render El Shaddai as "God Almighty," probably because the translators of the Septuagint (i.e., the Greek translation of the Old Testament) thought Shaddai came from a root verb (shadad) that means "to overpower" or" to destroy." The Latin Vulgate likewise translated Shaddai as Omnipotens (from which we get our English word omnipotent). God is so overpowering that He is considered "Almighty".]



2 Corinthians 12 (21st Century King James Version)


It is doubtless not expedient for me to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord:


2I knew a man in Christ more than fourteen years ago (whether in the body I cannot tell, or whether out of the body I cannot tell -- God knoweth). Such a one was caught up to the third Heaven.


3And I knew such a man (whether in the body or out of the body I cannot tell -- God knoweth),


4and how he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


5Of such a one will I glory, yet of myself I will not glory, except in mine infirmities.


6For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool, for I will say the truth. But now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or than he heareth of me.


7And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.


8For this thing, I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.


9And He said unto me, "My grace is sufficent for thee, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." Most gladly therefore will I glory rather in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


10Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in privations, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then am I strong.


11I have become a fool in glorying. Ye have compelled me, for I ought to have been commended by you. For in nothing am I inferior to the very chiefest apostles, though I am nothing.


12Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.


13For in what are ye inferior to other churches, unless it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? Forgive me this wrong!


14Behold, for the third time I am ready to come to you, and I will not be burdensome to you, for I seek not yours, but you. For the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.


15And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you, though the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved.


16But be it so, I did not burden you. Nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.


17Did I gain from you by any of those whom I sent unto you?


18I desired Titus to go, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make any gain from you? Walked we not in the same spirit? Walked we not in the same steps?


19Again, think you that we excuse ourselves to you? We speak before God in Christ; but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.


20For I fear lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found by you as ye would not, lest there be debates, envyings, wrath, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, boastings, tumults;


21and lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many who have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.





 I was just wondering around this site
http://www.historian.net/lp-pap2.html

My Marital Belief

I do believe this as a basic beginning of what we know as marriage in the christian world.

Genesis 2:18, 21-25

¹⁸Then the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him."

²¹So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place.

 ²²The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man.

 ²³The man said,

         "This is now bone of my bones,

         And flesh of my flesh;

         She shall be called Woman,

         Because she was taken out of Man."

 ²⁴For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

 ²⁵And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.

But however the condition of the world has changed.  The state of our human body has changed I believe.   People lived hundreds of year at one time.  We have changed many conditions of the world because of misuse through the influence of the prince of this world.   This world if full of chaos.  There is another but.

Our knowledge base is minute compared to our Creators.  We only know and understand in part.

I do not believe in counting a person out.  I do not understand clearly the cause or the effect of a non-heterosexual life.                When Christ came I believe he taught love and tolerance by his life.

I believe on his departure He sent his Holy Spirit to lead and guide us. If it was a sin in my mind, why is it not treated the way you treat fornication, lies, adultery, lust and such are treated. They should be treated fairly and equally, regardless of ones personal thoughts toward them.  

The people I know and love who are non heterosexual told me of how they where abused sexually.  So for a very long time I thought this was the cause which lead to this effect.  I wanted to more because of the way these people in my life was treated and singled out when other people opening practiced fornication, lies, adultery, or other types of lust was greeted with hand shakes and hugs. Scientific research, physical evidence and observation has lead me to see things.  If any thing is just mental, I believe that there is a hope of change.  

But what of the physical ?  

The attached article it give another point of view not my thoughts in whole.

Love I believe win folks to Christ. God is love. He visited Mathew whom was considered defile.  This question of physical scientific reasoning is documented. If it is truth what should be done?

God and Gays and Me

I plead Psalm 131  there are things I have no idea of whether they are right or wrong such as some question about gay people.  If there is biological physical reasons why a person appears to be attracted to the same sex is it forbidden?  If there is something biological causing this to occur and is innate to a person what is right for that person to do?  How does that person develop a loving relationship with someone as a partner in their life and be in the will of God?  Is it a behavior or is it the way a person biologically exist? How about hermaphrodites, who can they make a life with? Why does one person have a right to condemn another, when there are so many reason this situation could exists?        

(King James Version)

Psalm 131

 ¹Lord, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
 ²Surely I have behaved and quieted myself, as a child that is weaned of his mother: my soul is even as a weaned child.
 ³Let Israel hope in the LORD from henceforth and for ever.

 For this cause I like this verse.

Job 42:3 (Amplified Bible)

³[You said to me] Who is this that darkens and obscures counsel [by words] without knowledge? Therefore [I now see] I have [rashly] uttered what I did not understand, things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.





God is Love. I believe people have to live in truth.  If you feel someone to be at fault pray for them.  Petition God on their behave.  Do not spew meanness.  The one thing I truly think  to be true ~ we must be careful about how we judge , treat and accuse people ~.  We are in the dressing room here on earth. No one is perfect. My desire is not to judge but to love. Mankind  have many facets and aspects.  I do not pretend to know the mind of God






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